I have waited, again, and now the 2Gen P365’s are proving well made. The 2 Sigs replaced the P320sc, P320c, P320RX, P320 full size, Glock 43. They both look to be evenly priced too. I had a Sig P250 once. If you like following the crowd, then do you. In .357Sig, no less. The P365 most certainly appeals to them. I might add the P30L and P30s make great larger size pistols to use as a self defense weapon. Thanks again. Now, what I really want is that P365xl grip module available as a part! btw, I CCW a Glock 19 every day!! Funky “boinnnng” sound when the striker drops. But once my weapon is stashed, I deactivate the safety. And who are you to make such a pronouncement? Why do we insist on eating our own? I conducted an informal survey among several dozen people I encountered in the course of my daily travels and about two-thirds of the crowd wanted an external safety. One guy I know wanted a manual safety on his fucking Glock. Overall good summary of the P365’s virtues. Does the P365 still stand up, though? SIG slimmed the 938 slide to reduce weight but that increases cycle speed and then requires stiff springs to present ammo faster preventing override. SAS stands for SIG Anti Snag, and its been a configuration they’ve done before with other guns. Keep you cat, I’ll take my sig any day!! The roughly 10% remaining remind me of you. He can hardly keep them on the shelves. I’ll take the P365XL anyday!!! I’ll edit you. The problem IMO is if you are inconsistent and sometimes use them. So in other words the sig PT111 is now even more like the original PT 111 , Very interested on one of these. That they have one precisely for the reason that you seem to have unintentionally relayed. Accuracy shown is the average of three, five-shot groups at 15 yards and velocity is the average of 10 rounds fired over an Oehler 35P chronograph five feet from the muzzle. This debate is almost in direct parallel to the individuals that don’t want to carry a weapon with a round chambered because they are not comfortable doing so. The Springfield XDs and XDe both have grip and/or manual safeties whereas Springfield did not include at least a grip safety on the Hellcat. I stated the reasons for their acquiring such a modification on a firearm. Brave New World, you know?….And brother, you can have it! This isn’t to knock the XD series or the Hellcat. By the way, I’ve had the Hellcat for a while and it’s had zero malfunctions. If asked to choose between those options within your budget, I’d be looking for a S&W Model 19-4, 19-5 or 19-6 with a 4″ or shorter barrel, or a S&W 66-3 or -4 or 686 if you’d prefer stainless. I’ve already started carrying the Hellcat with a Shield Red Dot. But you left out the part about SIG’s arrogance during its early teething days and their continuing to deny some remaining problems like the poorly-designed curved trigger pinching where it pushes the finger straight up into the sharp-edged grip/housing. I think I could massage the lower grade pistol to my preference(s). Known as the FT Bullseye tritium night sight, you get a sighting system that sits flush with the slide and is virtually only a rear sight. That would take me literally a whole week of effort. Shorter guns get more benefit from mini red dots because their sight radius doesn’t matter with a mini red dot. The triggers on the P365 pistols I have tested are light and crisp, just like a full-size pistol. What the hell is a tactitard? Having perhaps a touch of of OCD, I am perfectionist in editing for clarity and conciseness but invariably stray into digression after digression, too enamored of my ‘footnote’ forays to leave some stone unturned, as it were. There is really nothing out there that even comes close when you blend size, capacity and features. But, please, continue with your assumptions, however incorrect they may be. Just like AR’s, you can swap parts and they still run, can this be done or is there a bit of “poetic license” in the statement? They’re nicely rounded, super slim, and remarkably easy to shoot, but hold less rounds and the tiny safety can be troublesome to switch off. That said, I am always impressed by the ammo innovations from the other companies featured in this article. The P365 ships with two 10 round magazines, but upon release, a slightly extended 12 rounder was available. I shot both the Hellcat and P365 before deciding on the P365. Thus the ability to have a certain model with a manual safety is a nice feature, just not one I personally need. Instead of your pissy, passive-aggressive response, understand that I understand the wants of these people in the gun world. I have 12 publishers and work with dozens and dozens of manufacturers. This was a short and simple question, which in no way merits your response. The Glock 43X and 48 offer the same capacity but are much larger than the P365. Has the P365 been outdone? I wonder if I can add a manual safety? Hell, you can even install your P365 into a new frame. It’s not a question of can or can’t, Genius -it’s all about choice. The Bizarro universe too many spent way too much time in, is that where every mundane moment of every routine day is one where eminent threats are hiding behind every kiosk, hot dog stand, or shrubbery(if it’s really that dangerous, what in hell are you still doing there?). I can keep a 4 inch grouping at 7 yards with rapid fire. Comment document.getElementById("comment").setAttribute( "id", "a30310fa427c36e0f96f8a1e3af6457f" );document.getElementById("ic0c8488ee").setAttribute( "id", "comment" ); https://clingerholsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/P365-w-holster.jpg, https://clingerholsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Clinger-Holsters-Logo125.png. So, as you say, it takes a hell of a lot of time to ‘whittle to the heartwood’, to get the thing ‘right’. I have firearms with manual safeties, but I won’t go out of my way to acquire any version of such firearms with a safety. I think it serves a purpose for people who like safeties (some of my friends who are very skilled love manual safeties) and those who lack the skill or confidence (or both) and will only carry with a manual safety. But then again, we’ve all seen em. How much are you looking to spend, and what will you use it for? Might want to look him up – he wrote in very terse, simple sentences. SIG has responded just as appropriately for the early models and moved to the Gen 2 which addressed it. The P365 premiered in 2018 and was unlike any gun we’d ever seen before. I see them as an accident waiting to happen, and being risk averse, I avoid them. Thank you for a well written, well thought out article. Typical response from someone unable to debate without resorting to emotional misdirection. A safety. If you put the Hogue grip with the Pearce pinky extension on it you don’t want to put the gun down it feels that good in your hand! It avoids ambiguity and misreading and is the recommended practice in all scientific and mathematical fields involving the presentation of data, calculations and decimal fractions. I found it impossible to just “thumb it down” and get the slide to go into battery. Comfort Cling Holsters usually ship within 1-2 days. The only optic’s ready P365 is the XL model. 4.7 out of 5 stars 102. It’s not 7 pounds. Won’t carry it on vacation, tho. The P365 variant here, announced at this year’s SHOT Show, features a manual thumb safety. Must have shot himself in the nut with a gun that didn’t have one. Education is key. Bravo SIG for making the 365 available with a safety. Aesthetics * * * * I believe the back up gun should be the same as the primary. lingering rumors of problems with the design, Biden: Ban the Sale of All Non-Smart Guns, Keep Clips Out of Assault Rifles, Democrat Debates Label Gun Makers the ‘Enemies’, Gun Review: Bergara Premier Competition Rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor, Gun Review: Daniel Defense Delta 5 Pro in 6.5 Creedmoor (18″ Barrel Prototype), Gun Review: SIG SAUER P320 AXG Scorpion 9mm Pistol, https://sigtalk.com/p365/353172-retrofit-p365-fcu-manual-safety-all-3-parts-listed-mgw.html. SIG SAUER 124gr FMJ———————————-1112fps, 1.25” That’s just drop protection, like the silly trigger tab on the Glock. I have tested this load in numerous guns across many months and even did a standalone review here on TTAG. just remember to always depress the ejector when reinstalling the slide. If they ever fix their shit and make a non-flawed new version of the compact 320, I’d buy at least one. Is there any way to tighten up the cylinders on those Kimbers? This includes popping the sights off entirely and installing a unique sighting system. The Recluse has a hard foam insert that immobilizes the trigger until you draw. and most carriers having a hugely inflated sense of their training level – you are better off with a safety. The P365 was so successful so fast because it was the first gun of its type. You’re probably just another troll with an axe to grind. Hornady makes some of the best carry ammo out there and their Critical Duty loads inspire plenty of confidence. It started with the XL model. I do, it’s safer when you carry glocks. Maybe, if its “the perfect CC pistol” as it looks like it may be. For pocket carry, the Recluse Holster is a very effective solution to a no manual safety fear. I have a striker fired Walther P99 that does indeed have second strike capability. If he says it, it’s worth a listen. They just work. Buffalo Bore makes some of the most powerful 9mm available and you can find a review of the 95gr +P+ here. I am comfortable without an external safety with the Glock trigger, BUT…. Goes to wait to buy a new gun – which I didn’t do with Ruger, and which I did do when I bought a P938. In this case I like to have a safety since I will be grabbing for it in the dark with the trigger exposed. Unnecessary. Unless you’ve been living under a rock, you’ll know that SIG SAUER has upped the ante in the concealed carry and self-defense world with their P365. Factor in the reputable and somewhat legendary name SIG and you’ll attract more of it. The SIG P365 has a trigger pull that’s significantly lighter at about 7 lbs, which puts it in the same range as most regular 1911s and some AR rifles. Lol… ok. Sure. If you can’t prevent yourself from an ND without a manual safety, then you probably won’t be able to prevent yourself from one with a safety. You have entered an incorrect email address! As people here at TTAG can see, when I’m short of time, my comments can get far, far, faaaar too long. Who else would have time for so many Forum posts. Ive heard some good, and bad, things regarding the Smiths. Did I say I was ignoring or responding negatively to his advice? Trading in my Kimber Solo Carry next week. I am a retired Police Officer and I have been carrying concealed firearms for 38 years now. To each their own…carry on! I understand some people want a manual safety and that is fine. A safety can be a good thing. I bought the P365 w/o safety and carry it owb or pocket sheath holstered. Why carry two different guns ? What I don’t understand is, why the haters can’t grasp the fact that one can choose to simply not engage a safety, making it identical to the original model. This high-speed mentality often ignores the fact that the majority of people who carry aren’t gun people and want simple, safe features that they are comfortable with. As more police forces adopt it, you’ll see more and more attention given to it by casual shooters. (It’s neither). They are both perfect CCW guns. You are the quintessential example of the Dunning-Kruger principal at work on a narcissistic know-it-all. That’s like saying you don’t need to wear a seatbelt as long as you’re an excellent driver. SIG has also been quite quick to release new arrangements. Just remember to carry with an empty chamber. I mean it was in John Wick 3 guys, it’s popular. If you have to rely on an external safety to actually be safe, then you should re-examine your safety routine. Add on the features, the capacity, and the price, and you’ve captured the casual shooting market. Additionally, we got the Coyote NRA edition P365 and a two-tone stainless model. Discovering I can retrofit the safety is a bonus – knowing that most GI weapons worldwide have 6 pound plus triggers and safeties should be an indicator of what we have learned over time – handling weapons in combat, in the field or streets, sometimes exhausted, hungry, in close proximity to our own battle buddies, etc. But shitting on each other because of some small differences is stupid. In the Pantheon of all-time greatest firearms BS artists, you reign supreme. Now the 365! I also have an awesome Van Dyke and wear Larue Tactical, BCM and Spikes hats. Want a safety? I have a 1000 rounds through my Hellcat and zero problems of any kind. a poster has said previously that a properly notched p290 mag will allow for 8+1. The reason the P365 is not the safest is that if the safety is accidentally brushed off and since the gun has no visible hammer and is a single action pull it can accidentally snag and fire off the gun. I actually think it’s just because they have a different opinion than you, and that sets off small minded tactitards like you. $22.99 $ 22. The aftermarket supports the SIG P365 rather well, and the gun’s popularity tends to help the aftermarket grow. Hornady Custom 147gr XTP—————————–950fps, 2” But if NOT having a safety removes even one troll from the gene pool, I’m for eliminating all safeties, LOL. We should be practicing regularly with our carry guns no matter which guns we choose. Beyond 15 to 20 yards and things get a little harder accuracy wise. Pocket holsters are a thing. In 2,000+ rounds it never failed to feed or fire. With a round chambered, a pistol equipped only with a trigger safety seems barely safer than a cocked revolver. I’d probably prefer carrying it to the compact CZs and Berettas that are considered the best DA/SA carry guns, all of which are larger, heavier, and thicker than the P365. Besides the XDs and XDe are both larger more in line with, say, H&K’s P30SK. I would say the smaller, optics ready Hellcat is a brilliant idea. The things that would cost everyone else in the class points, I had done perfectly in a very short amount of time. $64.97 $ 64. You have light options from Streamlight and SIG Sauer, as well as various laser options. Let me know how you feel when the striker breaks… Oh and the SCCY CPX2 has the same capacity and about the same size oh also it costs way less lil worse trigger though I’ll concede that. Personal preference is exactly that. I used to carry a Sig P320 Subcompact with 12 rounds. I’d like to see a standard P365 with optic options from the factory. You will get flak if you’re a bad writer or Hemingway. The addition of the safety option makes it darn close to perfect. I respect Sig for raising the bar but Glock passed them real quick with the Glock 43X and Glock 48. He had the same Shield Red Dot that I did. He’s a Sig guy and hated to admit that. Example: 2.5, 1.5, 0.5, -1.5, -2.5, as opposed to 2.5, 1.5, .5, -1.5, -2.5. Buy a gun with one. They were always heavier than they should be. Why does someone preferring a safety trigger you so much? Recommendation for a future review….The AR 500, https://www.bighornarmory.com/product/ar500-500-auto-max/. Buffalo Bore Barnes 95gr +P+ ————————–1349fps, 2” Is this Sig worth the price of TWO Shields? l like to carry deep cover and this gun is perfect. My wife on the other hand, absolutely refuses to carry a handgun without a manual safety. Whilst I was there, I also checked out some revolvers, including the K6. I have and use safeties on all my handguns. Get a grip people. 1. Is it a one-trick pony? Pretty sure all my rifles have a manual safety, and my 1911s do too, but my revolvers don’t. I just disagree with a manual safety. The only difference is that you’re too in love with yourself to see it. So comfortable, in fact, you'll Conceal Carry everyday. Johnny, I highly disagree with your “Croatia” comment. For now, the P365 remains the champ of concealed carry guns. This is the mindset behind the wanting of a manual safety that I am addressing, not the statistics of ND’s occurring with a safety versus those without. The aftermarket is another reason guns succeed. Just in the case it interests someone, in the first 6 months of 2021 Taurus should be entering the competition to the P365 with the Taurus GX4. I love ,love ,LOVE..my Hellcat! Better hurry. I knew him to be quite ignorant of firearm terminology, firearms themselves, and the culture surrounding it. The really big revolvers (like the 500 and some of John Linebaugh’s guns) are really purpose-built, and if you don’t live in an area where you need to pack a piece to go hiking in bear country, or you’re not a handgun hunter, they’re a bit of a solution in search of a problem. Thank you. I am looking to buy a P365 and carry it due to it’s concealability. However, the sight works by featuring three dots that you have to line up to accurately shoot. SIG had problems when they came out. The P365 Manual Safety is one of the most compact, reliable, and accurate handguns you can own today. 7lb trigger pull ??? Manual safety on a carry gun is fine as long as you practice releasing it. So I’ve got that going for me. I always like to hear from you DG, contrary to the accusations levied against me by Mr. Wayner. Their triggers are nice, and the buttplate on a magazine makes them long enough to hold comfortably. My preference would be to ride the safety like a 1911, but if my thumb has to slip below the safety I have no interest in it. The Hellcat is decidedly snappier than the Sig, and without a safety the gun becomes just another “Glock” spinoff. I love the reduction in my morning selection with the same capabilities. If I owned a 365 Id have no need or want a safety. People who wish to participate in open and honest discussions should refrain from shutting other people down. The P365 will likely see an excellent career as a backup gun in the hands of many more police officers. Is that meant to convey it is drop in functionally identical? I do not own a Glock, nor do I see ever spending the money on one. The only real competition SIG would have is from Glock, but Glock is slow-moving and won’t bring a competitor to bear for another five years at best. Fair question. Hornady Critical Defense 115gr FTX——————–1123fps, 2” The trigger is harder to learn since it has two different pulls and one is heavier, but that’s not a big deal to me. Weight and size are one reason why. Lots of readers are pressed for time, and they want an author to get to the point, quite understandably. Josh Wayner is a Michigan native, active competitor, Grand Valley State University alumni, troublemaker, and fiction author. Haven’t handled one yet. At the range, my buddy and me had a competition with his P365XL. That’s understandable. I imagine that means a trip back to the motheship. The gun is uncomfortably short in the grip with the default 10 round magazine. It’s the RMSc. Think – we shoot mostly the same ammo from 5″ to 3″ or less barrels, and the smaller the gun, the faster it will cycle. You have to get to a place to park your vehicle and your hunting weapon isn’t your primary on the road. 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